RealClearInvestigations Podcast

Crossing the Political Divide with Robert P. George | RealClearInvestigations Podcast #122

Episode Summary

On this week’s episode of the RealClearInvestigations Podcast, J. Peder Zane and James Varney speak with Robert P. George, McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence and director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions at Princeton University, about the national civics education he has spearheaded and how to have conversations across the political divide. On the news round-up, Zane and Varney discuss a range of articles responding to the violence that erupted in England and Belfast following racially charged incidents. 00:00 Introduction and Personal Anecdote 01:30 Current Events and Political Climate 03:52 Racial Inequality and Public Response 06:16 Media Framing and Public Perception 09:44 Civics Education and Its Importance 13:01 Interview with Robert George on Civics Education 20:32 The Shift in Academic Focus 24:25 Conservative Perspectives in Academia 31:17 The Pursuit of Truth and Intellectual Humility 32:04 The Role of Academic Freedom in Education 33:25 Bridging the Gap: Intellectual Honesty in Discourse 37:34 Navigating the Age of Feeling and Humility 48:44 The Machinery of Dispute Resolution in Democracy 56:35 Hope vs. Optimism: The Future of American Democracy

Episode Notes

On this week’s episode of the RealClearInvestigations Podcast, J. Peder Zane and James Varney speak with Robert P. George, McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence and director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions at Princeton University, about the national civics education he has spearheaded and how to have conversations across the political divide.

On the news round-up, Zane and Varney discuss a range of articles responding to the violence that erupted in England and Belfast following racially charged incidents. 

00:00 Introduction and Personal Anecdote

01:30 Current Events and Political Climate

03:52 Racial Inequality and Public Response

06:16 Media Framing and Public Perception

09:44 Civics Education and Its Importance

13:01 Interview with Robert George on Civics Education

20:32 The Shift in Academic Focus

24:25 Conservative Perspectives in Academia

31:17 The Pursuit of Truth and Intellectual Humility

32:04 The Role of Academic Freedom in Education

33:25 Bridging the Gap: Intellectual Honesty in Discourse

37:34 Navigating the Age of Feeling and Humility

48:44 The Machinery of Dispute Resolution in Democracy

56:35 Hope vs. Optimism: The Future of American Democracy

Articles Discussed in This Podcast:

Robert P. George Official Website
https://robertpgeorge.com/

Robert P. George X Account
https://x.com/McCormickProf

Video: Robert P. George in Conversation with Cornel West
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwBxVjkOeV0

New York Times: In the U.K., a Violent Cycle: Hateful Attacks, Right-Wing Agitation and Riots 
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/11/world/europe/northern-ireland-stabbing-immigration.html

Atlantic: How Britain Became as Poor as Mississippi 
https://archive.is/6q9Gp

Telegraph: Erect Sea Barrier Off Belgium To Halt Migrant ‘Taxi Boats,’
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/belgians-propose-sea-barrier-halt-151307951.html